> If everybody watches the superbowl at the same time I'd expect the power grid not to fail.
"I get what I want immediately" to "the system won't fail" is a nice way to shift goalposts. If everyone shows up to their flight then the flight won't crash, it'll depart just fine with the capacity it has and offer everyone else on the next available flight. You know, the same thing that happens when the power grid is turning back on. They do it one piece of the grid at a time. Which results in you getting less than what the person next door paid for. Because that's reality.
> I am also in europe. I don't get throttled service and what you say is not in my contract. What do you say to that?
When there are a ton of people crammed in the same location overloading the network, you get throttled, whether intentionality or not, whether you like it or not. There is no way on Earth that you being in Europe somehow makes you immune to reality.
The rock bottom rate for IP transit is $60/gbps. None of the infrastructure cost is included here.
And that’s with Hurricane Electric. They are a bit notorious for having probably the worst routing in the industry, but they are also the cheapest in the industry.
It’s nowhere near as simple as “large fiber pipes capable of accomodating spikes”.
There are very good reasons why hyperscalers are building their own intercontinental undersea fiber networks. So they don’t have to pay for the _extremely_ expensive intercontinental transit.
Last I checked renting a wave capable of doing 400gbps between Amsterdam and New York was close to $80k/mo. A wave is basically a dedicated wavelength of light guaranteed to you and only you.
You don’t want your ISP to oversubscribe? Become your own ISP. Get an AS number. Get your own IP space (both of these can be done on the cheap, /36 of v6 is basically free and /24 of v4 can be had for $100 a month). Get a BGP session with a transit provider. Pay them for transit.
Get IXP links so you have direct access to AWS, Google and Netflix. Save on the transit costs there! But the IXP peerings aren’t cheap and on a small scale will certainly cost more than transit.
Congratulations, you’re now paying $1000 a month for 1gbps guaranteed. It gets cheaper with scale, but scale also increases your infra costs.
Everyone would be on 10mbps if ISPs weren’t allowed to oversubscribe.
I became my own ISP as a hobby (https://bgp.tools/as/200676). This hobby costs me $200/mo, and I don’t have any real transit, just cheapo VPSes in locations convenient for me.
Wanna know what my residential ISP whom I pay €19/mo for 1gbps residential service quoted me for a BGP session at my home on a business connection? €9800 in setup fees, €2000/mo, min. 3 year commitment + transit. Of course that was a “fuck off, we just don’t want to do this” quote, but the only alternative I have here is to pull my own fiber.
From the first google result (although this was 5 years ago): “Europe gave internet service providers the right to throttle online traffic to prevent congestion as network demand spikes amid coronavirus stay-at-home and quarantine orders. Netflix and YouTube have already agreed to switch to standard-definition streaming in Europe to reduce bandwidth demand.”
> Dedicated Internet access is a thing, but it's expensive; and I'd argue that even that is oversubscribed if you go far enough up the chain.
The only way to get internet access that’s not oversubscribed is by renting (or pulling your own) layer 0. By that I mean either renting a wavelength between certain PoPs or just pulling your own fiber.
Large systems have their own rules.
If everybody watches the superbowl at the same time I'd expect the power grid not to fail.
If everybody gets home at around the same time from work and start powering on devices I'd expect power grid not to fail.
If it suddently gets cold and people turn on heating around same time, I'd expect it not to fail.
Those seem valid expectations and are met.
Therefor when I say if everyone starts streaming netflix it should work, then this is also valid expectation and should be fine.
> It is the level of service you paid for. The overbooking possibility? You paid for it, it was in your contract.
I get what I pay for when I want. I have 1gbps, I can run full speed as much as I want and sometimes it's nice to do that.
I am also in europe. I don't get throttled service and what you say is not in my contract.
What do you say to that?