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> In principle I'm against outsourcing or technology transfers to China, but please do it on you own schedule.

In principle, the tit for tat policy with China should have been initiated 15 years ago. China has restricted its own markets in similar ways since at least that far back, and it was clear then, when they banned Google in 2010, that they were not playing by the same playbook as we were.

The U.S. doesn't control oil in the Middle East, that would be Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, Kuwait, Iran, etc, all sovereign nations with their own governments. It also produces more domestically than its own demand and is a net exporter of oil.

Also, not sure why the Ukraine war is the United States responsibility over the EU's responsibility given that its your next-door neighbor and its your eastern flank that would suffer if Ukraine were to fall to Russian control. EU, of course, partly responsible for enriching Russia to the point where it can afford such a war with its own purchases of gas while shuttering nuclear power plants for indescribable reasons.



One point to clear up, China did not ban Google. Google left China because they refused to comply with Chinese data sovereignty laws.

Google even tried to crawl back with a search engine that did comply with Chinese laws put activist employees forced them to stop.

Both Microsoft and Apple fully comply with Chinese laws and are doing really well there.


When I hear "data sovereignty" I usually think of things like transfers to another country, etc. Are you using it to refer to censorship here?

If memory serves, China wanted to censor Google, Google declined (had a redirect to the Hong Kong site for a while), China blocked accessing foreign Google sites. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_China has more.


People like to play the victims, nobody else wanted to buy these unattractive companies back then, but once these companies are turned around or eventually fail, suddenly they are of national importance, we were ripped off.

The Google Facebook examples probably would hold better if the US hadn't axed TikTok, also, Google isn't banned in China, they refused to comply with censorship regulations and left themselves.

Rules only apply when the people that set the rules win, maybe China is to be blamed for seeing through this cruel world earlier.


Google did not even leave, they have a huge office tower in Beijing, Zhongguancun.


depending on how you define "leave". The search engine was shutdown, and the office still has business like ads


Ukraine-Russian conflict is a result of US instigation. Totally their responsibility.


The invasion of Ukraine by Russia is the result of Russian instigation.




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