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> Like I imagine someone in the past loved their job walking each night through their city, lighting up the gas-powered street lights. And then one day someone else implemented electric street lights, and the first person lost the job they loved. But in the end, its about providing light to the city streets, no?

Lighting or extinguishing a gas lamp does not allow for creative expression.

Writing a program does.

The comparison is almost offensive.

> For the great majority of work, it is not about fun, but about doing something other people need or want.

Some of us write code for reasons that are not related to employment. The idea that someone else might find the software useful is speculative, and perhaps an expression of hubris; it's not the source of motivation.

> I put at least as much time, attention and effort as the "real" programmers do, but my time goes into thinking and precisely defining what I want, cutting it up into smaller logical modules, testing, identifying and fixing bugs, iterating all the time.

So does the time of the "real programmers".



Ok but then none of this is about you. People still make art even though artists don’t make any money, and that is wonderful. Improving productivity for actual work could let everyone have more time for creative self expression. Hasn’t seemed to work out that way in practice but maybe this time is different!


Under any current / capitalist system by design it won’t be different because managers/capital want to increase gains, which contradicts allowing you to keep the gains.


haha yes I doubt this time will actually be any different.


Not everyone needs creative expression to enjoy their job, sometimes it’s about the process (sales people, mechanics, etc)


somehow mechanics share the problem solving aspect of programming




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