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The bloated standard library is the only reason I kept using python in spite of the packaging nightmare. I can do most things with no dependencies, or with one dependency I need over and over like matplotlib

If python had been lean and needed packages to do anything useful, while still having a packaging nightmare, it would have been unusable



Well, sure, but equally I think there would have been a lot more effort to fix the packaging nightmare if it had been more urgent.


There was a massive effort though, the proliferation of several different package managers is evidence of that.


Maybe. A lot of them felt like one-person projects that not many people cared about. I think that on the contrary, part of the reason so many different package managers could coexist with no clear winner emerging was that the problem wasn't very serious for a lot of the community.




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