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Yea, it is quite disappointing. Lots of apps still don't work with wayland properly, even a lot of enterprise apps like VPNs have issues. Hopefully they will be ironed out after Ubuntu 26.04 comes out.


Apps running in xwayland run the same way as on X11, xwayland being an xserver.

Also I don't understand your relation between a vpn and a graphic protocol.


These apps do have GUI, don't you know? Xwayland doesn't solve their issues.

Imagine you have Cisco VPN and you want to connect - you connect and then close the dialog. It is just gone. Why? On wayland no tray icon is shown.

Now imagine you have Fortigate VPN and you want to connect - you enter the IP address and click connect but nothing really happens. Why? No confirmation dialog was ever displayed in wayland.

Now imagine you have palo alto vpn and you try to connect ... good luck.

Can you work around that by using CLI? Yes, but this is THE issue with wayland. Until critical business apps work, x11 version must be supported, otherwise plasma is only useful for gamers and those that do not have to use their pc for work. I am not against switching to wayland, I just want a reasonable roadmap, not something like - we are going to break your major apps next time you upgrade.

edit: I just mentioned VPNs because they are the first in line when it comes to work from home. Don't let me start on remote support or remote control apps.


If you can use the cli, it is at best mildly annoying but not critical.

Having said that, deprecating x11 completely is the one motivation for dev to fix bugs and/or find ways. Wayland really started to catch up with missing features when some distros like Fedora started using it by default.

If you want to stay on legacy stuff such as x11 while the remaining stuff is fixed, there are plenty of long term support distros out there anyway. You aren't forced to use the latest bleeding edge kde version available.


It would be critical if I were to move any non-IT employees from windows to linux.

As said in one of my comments - this could very well mean that the next version of Debian will have KDE Wayland only which would already mean <5years of support today. I am not saying wayland is not catching up, I am saying enterprise apps are the issue.


Almalinux 10 will receive security updates until 2035, Ubuntu 24.04 until april 2039, 25.04 would go until april 2041 by that logic, many of us will be considering retirement at that point. Enterprise malware will have plenty of time to adapt and many will have disappeared before reaching the 2040's.


> Having said that, deprecating x11 completely is the one motivation for dev to fix bugs and/or find ways.

It's the most user hostile way to accomplish that, and it won't even work as many things will just remain broken.


KDE Wayland has tray icons for X11 apps, I use one for Pidgin.


Cannot seem to be able to configure anything Cisco Secure client, doesn't even show in the list of tray apps.




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