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My hunch: Opera Unite is going to be used mainly for file sharing. It's not a reinvention of the Web, but a reinvention of DC++


I think that file (not only mp3s) sharing is the ultimate goal of the internet. The current state when we have big servers to which clients connect is just a coincidence and is temporary. The future is fully distributed :)


Although I could not agree more, one caveat here - hosting a "server" of nearly any flavor is a violation of most current ISP's TOS. I know we do it and get away with it (and its one of the dumbest rules ever), but they will terminate your service from time to time until you agree to obey - it has happened to me twice over a simple HTML/Javascript web server.


But that's OK because for most users they'd just be using Opera ... "sorry, what's a server?".

Incidentally I win at teh internetz, broke this story on the 14th, if only I was famous I'd be, err, famous.

http://alicious.com/2009/opera-about-to-change-the-world/


That won't fly - ignorance isnt a get out of EULA free card any more.

Besides it clearly says "web server" so... ;)


The idea of making a web browser that is also a web server makes a lot more sense than the current trend of cloud computing. The privately owned data center concept is unsustainable, and defeats the concept the internet, which is distributed data.


Eben Moglen, I believe, made some great points about the huge increase in distributed computing power (ie, the power of the laptops in the audience) in this talk:

http://radar.oreilly.com/2007/08/my-tonguelashing-from-eben-...

Data centers get a lot of press, and it is warranted, but regular old desktops and laptops (and smartphones, etc!) are incredibly powerful and underutilized. The internet doesn't have to be cable tv, it can be the telephone game with checksums.


The privately owned data center concept is unsustainable

It's not clear what you're saying here, but I think I strongly disagree. Data centers have real economies of scale (both in dollars and in availability) which shouldn't be ignored. Web 2.0 "freeconomics" may be unsustainable, but you don't have to use that business model; you can make data centers (or "the cloud") work for you.

...and defeats the concept the internet, which is distributed data.

IMO the concept of the Internet is to move packets, and servers are equally legitimate as PCs.


Distribution means not a single point of failure. So both cloud computing and maybe Opera Unite are advances on that.

But saying cloud computing is not the direction I believe it wrong. The idea of cloud computing is really adding more distribution to your network. So you can have cheaper servers all over rather than just your servers at one data center with a remote data store that never has been checked.

Opera Unite is really just the IRC and a slice of P2P. But there will be huge reliability problems as with any distributed P2P system.


Nope. The future is hierarchical all over the place. Just like the present and the past.


Not every piece of data is a file. For instance, is talking to your friends on Facebook a file? I suppose you could view it as a "you talking = writing, friend talking = reading" type thing, but that's stretching it a bit.

There are other examples that have nothing to do with file sharing, like GPS, Google Maps, and pizza delivery.


All of the things you mentioned are stored in database files, so yeah it's all about file sharing.

Although I would disagree that pizza delivery is a piece of data ;)


The difference is that users aren't sharing data with each other, but rather companies are providing services by giving you data.

And a file is just a way to store a database in order to interface with the OS, not the way records themselves are stored. Point is, the Internet is a lot more nuanced than "file sharing".


I think it's very useful for transferring big files (like movie files for a project or from the last trip) to friends. Instead of using megaupload or having them install a software (like DC++, connecting to hubs and so on) to download it. It's like having your own apache server but way much easier to use for normal people.


I use HFS (Http File Server) for this on Windows. Drag n drop basically.


Technically this is nothing revolutionary. I worked on a project that included a jetty server and SQLite database as part of the download. For the user it was a single button click and updates were automatic. The purpose of the server was to supply services that are difficult with central servers, like watching your page views to see what you were interested in. The local server talked only to your browser and the central server, but it could have easily talked to your friends. The advantage it had over the cloud is that it was using free compute power and it could be an assistant without violating any privacy issues. Of course, generalizing the service raises other issues. You certainly dont want 50 or 100 servers running on your machine.


Meanwhile I'll be praying this client gets supported and extended, otherwise I fear we're in for another eMule. . .

Although I have a lot more faith in the Opera community than preWeb2.0 p2p applications. . .I better stop though, it's only 5am and I'm already speaking in hyperbole.


One of the nicest points of this idea is that it leverages existing technologies really well. eMule requires both parties involved in the transfer use the same software. With Unite the receiver can just use their normal browser.

I think that will go a long way to helping spread the idea. People will ask friends how they're managing to share their content like this and word will spread.


Yeah, and it's pretty nice, because it always works without pain :)


In a nutshell, Opera Unite is a collaborative technology that uses a compact server inside the Opera desktop browser to share data and services.


The headline says as much.


Opera Unite is going to be used mainly as UI for desktop apps... desktop apps with distributed UI.


Do i hear RIAA knocking?




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